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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Aug 10, 2009 2:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

Would like a little help with something, as I'm sure some of you guys will be sports fans.

My cable company has just added ESPNAmerica to my list of channels and there's a lot of baseball on there. The rules are easy and I do enjoy watching but I'm not sure if there's any 'rules' to supporting/following a team.

Over here, 'soccer' is king but there are unwritten rules about who to support (at least that's what my male friends tell me)

Anyway, I watched Detroit beat the Twins last night and they looked ok....any problems with supporting them?
I mean, I could be obvious and follow the SF Giants?

Anyway, any help would be much appreciated...I wouldn't want to commit a baseball faux pas.

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Poster: boltman Date: Aug 10, 2009 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

All excellent rules,and although hinted, but not overtly mentioned, the biggest is that you now cannot root for teams in the same division as Detroit. This rules out the Chicago White Sox, Minnesota Twins, Cleveland Indians and Kansas City Royals. You also have to root against contenders in other American League division such as the NY Yankees and LA/Anaheim Angels (or whatever they're being called this year). Perhaps this goes without saying as it is certainly part of any sport, but now you have the names. Of course, the closer we get to the playoffs these rules change based on which teams need to lose.

Enjoy the great pastoral pasttime known as baseball.

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Aug 10, 2009 6:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

I root for my team, SF Giants, because I like how the organization is run. Who they hire/fire, management and players. Its hard to root for a team because of the current group of players because they are traded around so often. I also root for the Giants because they are National League. You see, in the American League, the pitcher does not come up to bat, there is a designated hitter that takes his spot in the lineup. As the great Willy Mays said "American League? Oh, you mean little league." (What we play as kids growing up)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 10, 2009 4:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

There are no rules for picking a team to follow. Typically people follow teams from the region of the country they live in or grew up in. Thus folks like SDH, who lives in the southwest is still a Red Sox fan (although he does watch the local Diamondbacks play). There used to be a time when many regions like the southwest and for that matter southeast didn't really have major league teams. Before 1959 I think the only team west of the Mississippi were the St. Louis Cardinals. Seems like most of the people who lived in those regions of the country became Yankees fans since they were the most successful team of the 20th century.

As for me, I grew up a Phillies fan and remained so until about 13 years ago when my kids started going to games and we lived in Miami. I root for the Marlins now until the they are out of contention, then the Phils. Been okay the last few years because the Marlins have helped the Phils get into the playoffs by beating the Mets. The Mets suck. Don't become a Mets fan.

So pick a team and cheer away. Glad you enjoy our game. I had the pleasure of attending a cricket match in London a few years back. The drinking at cricket is much better than baseball.

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Aug 10, 2009 4:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

That's the kind of reply I wanted....cool.
I'll stick with the Tigers then in that case.

Many thanks.


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Poster: ecyoj Date: Aug 10, 2009 5:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

Here are the "rules" as I was raised to believe: You root for the home team, wherever you are. If you move away you still root for your team. If you have kids in that place thatyou moved to, then your kids can and should root for their home team, even though it is different than yours. Since you are not living in America you are a "free agent" and the Tigers are a fine pick. Enjoy baseball.....

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Poster: deyzof49 Date: Aug 10, 2009 6:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

In the days of the British Empire the first thing they did after subdueing the natives was mark out a cricket pitch.

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Poster: deyzof49 Date: Aug 10, 2009 6:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

In the days of the British Empire the first thing they did after subdueing the natives was mark out a cricket pitch.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 10, 2009 6:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

And the U.S. genicided the native indians and imported slaves from africa . in two centuris, like crickets, they devastaded a continent,erased most ancient forests and became barbarians,uncaring for others these last 50 years .If it was not for the Grateful Dead I woudn't even speak with americans,nowadays !na!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 10, 2009 8:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

Miss D -

Good call. I lived in Detroit from 1965-1968 (age 3-7). The first baseball game I ever went to was game 1 of the 1968 World Series. I had no idea what i was seeing but I watched Bob Gibson strike out 17 Tigers. Of course, my beloved Tigers came back to win in 7 games in a great picher's duel between Mickey Lolich and Bob Gibson.

To this day I have been a Tigers fan.

That alone is reason enough for you to follow Detroit.

All kidding aside. There are no rules for picking and following a team - but there are distinct rules for jumping on or off the bandwagon so once you have decided, that's it.

And you are never allowed to like the Yankees............

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 10, 2009 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

Good Question

Don't under any circumstances root for the Mets, unless of course you are a complete and total Masochist.

Check out the Mets Trap video here:
http://www.globalsportsfraternity.com/

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Aug 10, 2009 7:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

This Mets thing, is it easy to explain?

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 10, 2009 8:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

I can't explain it, however, I will say for all the build-ups and let downs the extremely rare occurrence of something like the '86 season makes being a Mets fan worth it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_World_Series

I was only 6 for the '69 win so don't have any real recollection of it.

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Aug 10, 2009 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

There's only one rule, you must HATE the Yankees.

Repeat after me... Yankees SUCK!

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 10, 2009 2:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

dear divine,I strctly know nothing about baseball rules or other sports rules .the only gigs that hold my attention about sports is ice skating and olympics games to widen my interest once a while .the best sport i have ever done for long is dancing sith the grateful dead shows !

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Poster: clashcity Date: Aug 10, 2009 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

I just scanned through the responses so who knows if any of this has really been covered yet...

I, myself, am an SF Giants fan, which developed out of my love of most things Bay Area related, particularly the Grateful Dead. I'm on the East Coast and was raised in a Philadelphia sports household. Needless to say I'm biased and will tell you the SF Giants are the team to root for... although haven't had much to be excited about till this season.

A great baseball site - http://www.baseball-almanac.com/

A great baseball quote:
"Since baseball time is measured only in outs, all you have to do is succeed utterly; keep hitting, keep the rally alive, and you have defeated time. You remain forever young." - Roger Angell

2 great baseball comedy bits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om_yq4L3M_I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmvkO5x6Ng


Certainly, there are no rules as to who you decided to root for, that's a matter of personal choice. There are, however, conditions that you need to maybe understand and get used to depending on who your team is.

One ground rule I'd make a priority to point out: There's the American League (AL) and the National League (NL). The AL makes use of the Designated Hitter (DH), which replaced the pitcher in the batting order. The NL pitchers have to also step up to the plate and hit. It is widely argued among baseball fans which is better - but any clear thinking baseball fan will know that the DH is a load of crap and as such would be a fan of an NL team.

Other than that I would say that baseball is as much, if not more, about history than it is the present. It truly is a reflection on America. The history of the game, the nature of it. I may over romanticize it but baseball is special.

"They'll come to Iowa for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn up your driveway not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at your door as innocent as children, longing for the past. Of course, we won't mind if you look around, you'll say. It's only $20 per person. They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it: for it is money they have and peace they lack. And they'll walk out to the bleachers; sit in shirtsleeves on a perfect afternoon. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the baselines, where they sat when they were children and cheered their heroes. And they'll watch the game and it'll be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces. People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... people will come Ray. People will most definitely come." - Field of Dreams

http://www.hulu.com/watch/12384/field-of-dreams-people-will-come

This post was modified by clashcity on 2009-08-10 20:22:15

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 10, 2009 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

Nice post clash.

When we were stationed in Omaha we drove over to Iowa to see the "Field of Dreams".

Not quite as magical as in the movie, but there was an energy in the air.

I had to laugh at the blatant commercialism - underscored by the fact that the field straddles the property line of two farms and each has a souvenir shop set up hawking their wares.

I did keep looking at the cornrows half-expecting Doc "Moonlight" Graham or Shoeless Joe Jackson to come walking out.........

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Poster: clashcity Date: Aug 10, 2009 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

Thanks Mando. I've enjoyed quite a few of your posts in my time here...

So it really is just Iowa, and not heaven?

That "They will come, Ray." scene still gives me goosebumps.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Aug 10, 2009 7:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

There's only one rule. Love the Cubs forever. Be permanently disappointed. Never give up hope.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 10, 2009 7:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

Here is my problem with Cubs fans. I think your approach is the correct one and the one that I experienced when living in Chicago. However they seemed to have changed in the last 5 or 6 years. I thought it was ridiculous that they were booing Dan Uggla there last year because they felt that his horrific performance in the all-star game cost the beloved cubbies their home field advantage in the World Series. Since when did Cubs fans become so cocky about being in a Series? I also thought the way they ate their own after the Steve Bartman incident was a joke. Blaming a fan after Gonzalez booted the double play ball and they had another game to win it. Any fan sitting there would have done exactly the same thing he did, watch it again (if you can stomach it), he wasn't the only one reaching for the ball, just the unfortunate one who touched it.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Aug 10, 2009 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

Bartman was a symptom of the victim mentality. Always blame someone else for what is your problem. The cubs had every opportunity to win that game. In my opinion, they lost it, and that had nothing to do with that poor slob. I agree that he was one of many reaching for the ball, and also that he became yet another scapegoat for stuff that should not have been laid at the feet of anyone but the players and management of a team that was truly excellent, but failed (once again) when it came to the clutch.

I don't believe in curses. Even when it comes to Grateful Dead keyboard players. or Spinal Tap Drummers. I'll never forget Stumpy Pepys! :)

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 10, 2009 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

now, didn't I already your name,elsewhere ?

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Aug 10, 2009 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

Mine? Not sure... Where?

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 10, 2009 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

dead.net !!

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Aug 10, 2009 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

Well, I use the handle everywhere. You'll find me all over this thing, the interweb thing. Yes, I'm on Dead.net. I would imagine that nobody else uses my handle.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 10, 2009 3:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

so you are still awake that late inthe night there ? It happenes to me year aound ! it's day time here,almost 1 PM and this morning flew by fast reading posts on this grateful dead forum !

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 10, 2009 4:53am
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so we are about nerby,sort of .i am on the frenchie side of the channel Ever tried this tunnel in the sea yet ? never did and i woudn't like getting stranded in that tunnel there !

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Aug 10, 2009 5:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

I prefer flying to trains, so no Chunnel for me.

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Aug 10, 2009 3:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baseball question (non-Dead, I suppose)

I'm in the UK, so it's midday here.

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